From Rockstar to Psychic Channeler & Co-Creator of Conflict REVOLUTION with Barbara With

Meg Kearney (00:00)
Welcome back to another episode of Root to Rise Seeds for the Soul podcast. I'm your host Meg. And today I'm excited to share my interview with Barbara with. Barbara is a psychic channel who among other things channels Albert Einstein. She's also the co-founder of Conflict Revolution, which is a way for us to internally work through our triggers.

That way we can spread peace into the world and in our daily life. And she's a musician, she's an author. She really is just so connected to the flow of wisdom and creativity that is God or source or universe, whatever you want to call it. And I just found her to be such a light and love to talk to today. So hopefully you enjoy the episode as much as I did. And thanks for tuning in.

Meg Kearney (01:06)
Welcome Barbara to the podcast. I'm so excited to have you on today

Barbara With (01:11)
Thank you, Megan. I'm so glad to be here. I'm very excited.

Meg Kearney (01:15)
Yes, me too. So I'd love to just start to talk about your background and what you're doing in the world right now. I know you are a psychic channeler and a medium, and so you've been doing that for a long time. So can you talk about how you got involved in that and what that kind of looks like in your current life as well?

Barbara With (01:37)
For me, it began with music. I was a musician. I started teaching myself how to play piano when I was four. I started writing songs when I was 12. So I had this urgent desire at 17, which was, I think it was 1972, to be a rock star. And I had everything I needed and I went out on the road for 20 years doing that. I had a pretty good amount of success. However, it was a tough lifestyle, lots of addiction and things.

Side tracking. But at the same time, my friend's mom was a channel. And back then we didn't call her a channel. She just gave us readings. And there were these beautiful readings about how to like bring some healing to my traumatic family and things I could do to self care. And there were predictions that came true. But more than that, it was teaching me how to self love. So when I started automatic writing spontaneously,

in 1987, I knew what it was and I was still kind of surprised because what is this? And I was writing a very angry letter to someone and suddenly the whole tone shifted and it was just all about perception. so I was kind of like, okay, so who are you? And because Eunice had been an antenna.

Like she was just picking up all this information around me and feeding it to my human mind. So they said, you can call us sound.

Meg Kearney (03:06)
Mmm. Mmm.

Barbara With (03:07)
And because I've been in music, it made sense. So that's kind how I got into it.

Meg Kearney (03:10)
Mm-hmm.

And how old were you when you had that automatic writing experience? Because I have dabbled in automatic writing and sometimes it seems like my analytical mind kind of gets in the way of letting that come through. So was there anything that you think helped to facilitate that or were you just very open because you had those experiences with your friend's mom?

Barbara With (03:40)
I think that and to the music is that the process of writing music, especially if you're like me, I was very traumatized as a child. And so it became the survival technique is that you're so out of your mind anyway, and you're so into the feeling and the feeling is instructing the intuition. So I was so curious. I mean, I was such a curious person. I am such a curious person, but it's like, okay.

Where are we going to go with this? And it's just really led somewhere. And now today, jump ahead, however many years, this is what we teach people is how intuition is really an innate part of your being and how to get to it.

Meg Kearney (04:24)
Yes. So lock me through. So you had this, this spontaneous automatic writing experience. You had this connection and then what did you do from there? Where did you go next?

Barbara With (04:35)
I just was so curious that I wanted to do it. And so I went to my friends and I said, look at what I can do. Do you want to try it? And so for a while they'd sit there to my left and I would write and I still have these pages of readings. did a handwriting. And, and finally I got to a place where, you know, you could talk like Eunice did and kind of worked my way into that. And then I started.

getting a reputation because the readings were so powerful and people would come, they'd get a reading, we'd record it, they'd leave, they'd come back in six months. So it wasn't like we were talking about it. It was like, I was like the doctor who you went in and you got the thing, don't, you know, and that's kind of how it went for, well, until 1993, I think.

Meg Kearney (05:23)
And did you I'm always curious about this too because I I think that for Psychics and in mediums and channels. I think it's it must be very important to maintain sort of your own energy and make sure that you have the ability to be Open when people come to you for reading. So have you ever had struggles with

connecting when someone's coming to you for a reading and how do you kind of like work through that?

Barbara With (05:56)
I don't, I can't really say that I've ever had trouble connecting, but what I would say to address that is very early on when I was discovering this and like, Hey, let's just go read for everybody. You know, and I found myself in a situation where there was a young man who had been paralyzed and I'd sort of taken on to help him. And, and I found myself sort of using that.

to say, well, you're going to be involved in helping my friend, you know, and it was only one time and the crash was so intense that I never forgot how we can get ourselves involved. And I had to kind of stop and begin again with a kind of more reverence to what I was doing. But that's the kind of lessons we need to go through. You know, we need to challenge our intellect. Is this my intellect? Is my intuition?

Meg Kearney (06:35)
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Barbara With (06:48)
and fall down and say, no, that's not it. And then get up and be better.

Meg Kearney (06:52)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And I think it does require a level of like self reflection and self knowledge. So definitely make sense there. So as you've been going through, what are kind of the tools that are there any tools that you like to use for channeling, for example, like cards or some people like crystals or is there anything that helps you kind of?

get into the mindset and what is the experience like for you when you are receiving messages?

Barbara With (07:25)
My mediumship is psychic channeling. And if you go back to the music, that's channeling, pulling out sound and words, rhythms to create this experience. So that's one way that I feel channeling. When I do channeling Einstein or the angels, some entity that's allegedly outside of me, I describe it where

I kind of get myself out of the way in my intellect. Like I see myself like this tall and I'm sitting in a chair and sometimes through the whole reading, this part of me will be going, you can't tell that you don't even know what you're talking about. And sometimes I can't get rid of it. But what it does do, it opens up this whole other part of your brain and your mind where you're just kind of witnessing like you're not making this part of you is like, no, no, no,

But this part of you is just going, I'm going to just observe and listen. And then you start to hear, you know, just like music, I would listen for the melody or I would listen. And when I started listening as a channel, not music, and they said we're sound that gave me a trust because I'd worked in sound.

Meg Kearney (08:20)
Hmm.

Barbara With (08:39)
And then when I later started to do groups and the psychic sorority, the three of us that began this journey, they asked in a reading, well, who are you? And the answer was you can call us angels. So now we've graduated to how do you know you're talking to angels? How do you know? And the three of us talked and talked it out and we decided that we didn't really care if it was the Easter bunny because

Meg Kearney (08:51)
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Barbara With (09:06)
what they were telling us was so revolutionary and it was changing our lives so completely that we were okay with it.

Meg Kearney (09:13)
Hmm. I love that. I think it's so beautiful how God or the universe or source, whatever it is, I love how it knows exactly what to present that's going to kind of get the foot in the door. So that way it just opens up for this longer term relationship. So I love that. And I, I'm curious too, cause I know a lot of people have like moments in their life where

It's sort of this awakening of like, yep, this is real, or they have moments where they call upon guidance and they get it immediately almost. Can you talk about any examples from your own life where you had that moment or multiple moments of, yes, this is real, I'm being guided, I have angels, I have someone looking out for me?

Barbara With (10:05)
Well, it's a process. For me, it was a process where you first took it in, okay, now we're talking to angels. Okay. So here's the skeptic, right? I have this support, right? But then I'm still not like, hey, everybody, I'm talking to angels. I'm like, hmm, okay, that's okay. All right. Well, ease into that. And then when I came to the shift to be able to talk to Einstein, that was many years of adapting.

Meg Kearney (10:22)
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Barbara With (10:33)
that. And it's been progressively where I was at a big event in 2007 and I was sort of like sheepish. Like I'm not trying to convince you it's Einstein. And afterwards they are all scolding me that is too Einstein. So the universe delivers me these things. But I want to tell you where I am right now with it. The level of manifestation I've after all these years is right now in my life.

Meg Kearney (10:59)
Mm-hmm.

Barbara With (11:01)
It happens without me thinking. So here's the example. I was driving home from North Carolina where I saw one of my psychic sorority sisters for the first time in years. And we started this new mission right now. And I was feeling this all so deeply, deeply. I was crying. was driving the car and crying. And suddenly the car is, it takes an exit. And I actually, I look at my GPS and I think, my God, am I take what? And I, okay, all right. You know, and I thought, and I pull up into the,

Meg Kearney (11:03)
Hmm.

Barbara With (11:29)
And right then, my associate in Norway called. And she's the only person that I could have in that moment. So that's just a little example of so many things that are happening to me right now. It's crazy. It's really beautiful, beautiful thing.

Meg Kearney (11:46)
Wow. And that's just, that's just a result of years of you really trusting and honing your, I don't even want to call it a craft because it's, it's a connection. And I think it is innate for, for everybody. And we just have to be able to tap into it. But I'd love for you to talk about how you started channeling or talking with Einstein and, and what that, what that looks like. And if you do have any idea of

why Einstein of all people?

Barbara With (12:17)
Yes, very much. Now, now I do.

so, um, Kim and Teresa and I put out a book, Diaries of a Psychic Sorority. And it's all exactly what happened that I told you in the beginning, how it happened, all the channeling from the, uh, and what they told us was they were here because they had this theory about a process that they wanted us to test about resolving conflicts first within that will naturally manifest peace around us sort of, you know,

like in projections of peace within us. And they needed actual humans who were gonna have actual conflicts to test it on. And at the time we're like, yeah, that's us, you And then we started to have conflict. And so we published those diaries and my literary agent called me one day and she had gotten a call from a tabloid in London who was looking for an interview with Princess Di from beyond the grave of the one year anniversary of her death.

Again, this was another moment where it's like, okay, we went from here to angels and now you're telling me. And I had to sit with it for a long time and I thought, well, what can it hurt? So I channeled it typing and questions and answers were channeled and I printed it off and I read it and I just went, this is crazy. Cause you could hear her voice and all of the detail. and, but the whole message was if everyone who left flowers,

at the palace would do this, we would have world peace in the day. And so the tabloid flew me out to London, plied me with champagne and tried to get me to tell them dirt about Charles and Camilla, but they didn't want the interview. And Christine and I were like, my gosh, well, maybe there's more famous people. And so we wrote down all these people, know, whatever Elvis.

Meg Kearney (13:44)
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Barbara With (14:02)
Mother Teresa, this whole thing. And I go in my mind, I pretend to go to him and say, you know, would you like to be interviewed? And no, this, no that. And the second one was Nicole Brown Simpson, who was OJ's murdered wife. And that had just taken place. And by the time we got to John Kennedy, which was again, knowing what's coming out right now about what happened back then, he pretty much said it all in that interview in 1998, but he said to us,

Meg Kearney (14:16)
Mm.

Barbara With (14:32)
your list away, we'll tell you who's coming. We'll introduce them." And then he introduced Einstein because Einstein wasn't even on our list. How sad are we? I'm sure they were all sitting there going, are they not going to even put Einstein? And so when I did it, I spoke and she questioned, you she, when I open my mouth,

Meg Kearney (14:44)
my gosh.

They're like, are they serious? Like, hello, Einstein's a genius.

Barbara With (15:01)
Megan, that was the voice of every reading I'd ever given.

And I was sitting, we were in her bathroom in Manhattan, was a thunderstorm on the floor. And I started channeling. thought, wait a minute. And so there was this ripple kind of through timelines. Like this is not only the angels and there's a lot of stuff that points to it. This is not only the antenna. This is sound. This is from when whatever impelled me at four years old to climb up to the piano stool. And he was.

Meg Kearney (15:27)
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Barbara With (15:34)
an artist. So I fell so in love with him that I wanted to do this, just a book for him, because that all turned into Party of Twelve, The Afterlife Interviews. And that's just a fascinating book, but I wanted to do one just for him. And so in 2005, it was the 100 year anniversary of E equals MC squared and all those things he did. I thought, well, let's see what he has to say. I don't know what I was thinking. Well, he delivered a unified field theory.

which is a scientific theory that everybody's been looking for since before he died. He didn't, you know, and it's connected to what we call the map of human consciousness, which is how our human consciousness interacts with the creation fields to create the world. But he delivered what really shocked me was it was a scientific quantifiable definition of compassion with a capital C, not just as love, you know, compassion like we know.

Meg Kearney (16:07)
Mm-hmm.

Barbara With (16:33)
but an actual scientific force that it embeds the creative field of creation of the entire universe from which we spring. So, see, and I'm like thinking, I just want to be a rockstar, okay? I don't even know. I have to now go out into the world and tell them that the source of everything you're telling me is in the center of the earth and it operates like a black hole.

Meg Kearney (16:46)
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Mm-hmm.

Barbara With (16:58)
Well, do you know anything about black holes? I don't. And so I was like, am I going to just completely just destroy everything I've done by stepping out and saying these ridiculous things? Well, no, just go to YouTube and Google Brian Green black holes and it'll tell you exactly what he said. That now they think that earth is operating. So it's been like this where it's unfolded through the years, but it has taken a lot of spiritual and psychological care.

Meg Kearney (17:01)
No.

Barbara With (17:28)
As you can see, it's mentally challenging to be able to stand up in front of people and then find out that it's all actually, I don't know what's worse, if I was wrong or that I'm right.

Meg Kearney (17:40)
Yes.

I can imagine it must feel to your human self. It must feel a little isolating of like, what are people going to think of me? And I never really realized that that little voice of doubt is still kind of there. I know you mentioned it's still kind of there when you're channeling. doesn't go away. And I think that's really helpful because I've always had this idea of once I get to this certain place spiritually,

that little voice is gone. I don't have to deal with this anymore. I will just be floating through life like on cloud nine, you know, and that's just not reality because we came here. I believe we came here to have a human experience and that is part of the human experience and our thoughts sometimes can be very helpful. So, but to your point of just finding out that it's right, it's kind of mind blowing.

Barbara With (18:13)
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Meg Kearney (18:34)
And then finding out that it's wrong would also feel kind of awful as well. And so it's such an interesting place to be in where you're you're neither here nor there. If that makes sense, like you're kind of you're on earth, but you're also having these crazy, so cool experiences. So I'm curious of are there any daily? I know now it's become like you mentioned it's become more like automatic for you, but I'm curious.

could you talk about what your life was like when you were kind of like in the rock and roll world, like doing music, and then how you transitioned out of that and into where you are now, which is, you know, definitely different than rock and roll for sure.

Barbara With (19:20)
Well, I think what's interesting is that the way the whole thing fell out and music came first, it was the music at 12. You know, it wasn't Einstein saying, I'm going to deliver information. that lifestyle early on, when I had one of my first readings, Eunice said that my music was going to be this incredible healing force. And so that impelled me because I wanted to save the world, know, this Aquarian thing. And

It just the intersection and this is the 70s. So you're talking about sex, drugs and rock and roll and then trauma. So all of this was informing my healing process. And what happened was I lived this lifestyle until 1987 when it just my friend of mine had first friend I ever had the pass away, not tragically or anything, but and I had to come in off the road. just had.

and this idea that somehow my music was this healing force. So when I started automatic writing that day in that whole mix, what they said was, your ego had to be diminished because you just have such a huge ego, but your music was still doing the thing it was meant to do. So I'd be in these little like...

Meg Kearney (20:27)
Mm.

Barbara With (20:34)
supper clubs in the middle of Iowa all by myself doing these solo gigs. And people would be going, you is that a joke or what? You know, because I'm playing my original music, I'm playing Springsteen, I'm playing all this stuff and all they want to hear is the jukebox. And so it's really suffering. It's like, this is not what you said was going to happen. You said I was going to be this international sensation. this and they said you were the music was still doing it though. It was cutting through everything and even in you.

Meg Kearney (20:42)
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Barbara With (21:02)
It was healing you, whatever that was. So I tried to come in off the road and I just couldn't. kept, formed this trio called Lays of Me with these women in Minneapolis and we won all these awards and open for Tower of Power. We're just like, nope, you're going on this path. You're going on this path with us. And that's all there is to it. And then they sent Kim and Teresa to help me adapt to that I was called. And that's what happens when you're called, I think, you know.

Meg Kearney (21:32)
So you didn't really mean you had to make the decision to come off the road and to choose this lifestyle, but you didn't really do like you weren't like meditating for like two hours a day or like doing yoga or breath work or anything like that. It just kind of was. This was your path and this is where you were meant to go. And so it seems like it was more of.

like a spontaneous, a spontaneous evolution. that right or?

Barbara With (22:03)
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think that's a good way to put it. Cause if, if spontaneity is if you, it's like pivoting, right? If you're in basketball, you pivot, you don't sit down and go, well, why didn't the ball come to me? You know, you just move on it. It was very intuitively guided. And I think intuition is far, far stronger when emotion is strong. Now that doesn't mean our intellects always know what to do with it, but you know, we get all emotional and then we have this intuition, you know, go do this, go.

Meg Kearney (22:09)
Mm. Mm-hmm. ⁓

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Mmm.

Mm-hmm.

Barbara With (22:32)
be a rock star and my mind was like, okay, here we go. So, but it was, it was an evolutionary journey. had no idea where it was guiding. Now at this age where I'm, this is my 70th year, I can look back and see absolutely everything that I thought was a mistake or this was wrong or I should have been doing that. Don't do it. It's also divinely created.

Meg Kearney (22:36)
Mm-hmm. Yep.

Barbara With (22:58)
and your mind is that little squirrel, that little party, and, I didn't do that. It's always gonna be going. But when you add more parts of your operating system, because there's more than just that squirrel, we think it, because our intellect is so powerful, it's convinced us it's in charge. But there's this whole other operating system that we're waiting to discover and then waiting to know how to master.

Meg Kearney (23:03)
Mm.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

I know it's probably a lot, but in retrospect, can you talk about some of those moments that maybe in the moment you didn't understand why it was happening, but then you look back and you're like, wow, this all ties together. I know you mentioned that you're doing your world peace tour and then there's the anniversary of of you connecting with Einstein, right? And then so can you just talk about how all this comes together? Because I think

That is so helpful and it's such helpful perspective for me and for other people as well.

Barbara With (23:53)
Yeah, sure. know, I came in off the road and I got married to a wonderful man and I proceeded to go have higher class, you know, crap jobs. So I called him, because all I wanted to do was go sing, but he had to. So I got involved in this nonprofit in St. Paul because my husband was pressuring me to get a job.

Meg Kearney (24:02)
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Barbara With (24:12)
I was like, okay, and I went out, went, I got a temporary thing helping them in this department and then it led to that, led to that, and led to that. And pretty soon I was in all these departments looking at how much conflict was going on. And I went to the president, I said, look, I've been involved in this stuff. Would you mind, I could do a prototype of a conflict revolution workshop. And she's like, yeah, let's do it. So we started doing it there. And then I became the...

Don't ask me how, accidental development director. I was the development director of a major nonprofit in St. Paul. I was like, what? And I had never, now good thing one of my best friends was the vice president and she sat down the first time I had to do five-year budget projections. It's like, what is it? And it was torture. I would go to bed crying, I'd get up crying, I dragged myself in, husband was like, why don't you quit? I like, I don't know why.

Meg Kearney (24:50)
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Barbara With (25:07)
I would not have traded any of that because when all of this converges and all of my book sales create a lot of abundance for us, I'm going to be absolutely happy that I know how to do those five-year budgets. And already I've written many, many business plans. So, but it's hard, you know, cause you want to do this and you think you're supposed to be doing that. you're in this little, you know, crappy little job, but it's not, it's all divinely planned.

Meg Kearney (25:20)
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Hmm.

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Barbara With (25:32)
And my advice is, you know, it's not to manifest what we want. It's to want everything that we manifest.

Meg Kearney (25:41)
Mm. Yes. Yes. That's so powerful. I just listened to a podcast and this woman was talking about how you if you don't have the gratitude for what you have right now, once you manifest what you what you want, like you're also not going to have the gratitude. She said it more eloquently than that. But I find that so powerful because

I find that when I truly practice gratitude for what I have right now, I actually don't want anything else. I just, and like things come and that is so, it's so true for so many people, but it's also so interesting that you were in an experience where you didn't necessarily want the job, but things still came. And so it's kind of this interesting question of life of like,

What is true? You know, like what is is real? Because some people think you have to be in this like high vibe frequency. And maybe you were. You probably were because you had been, you know, practicing this stuff. But it's just interesting because I just wonder if like if there's just fate and we're just kind of living and everything is just meant to happen how it's supposed to happen. And it just kind of like mine. Mine boggles me a little bit. But I want to talk about your

the conflict resolution that you mentioned. you talk about revolution? Can you talk about that and what exactly that is, what you do with that?

Barbara With (27:07)
Revolution.

Well, the whole thing sprang from the psychic sorority and what we found out with our conflicts. And it's really a very, very basic, it's not even a, it's like you said, you go to a class, do you spend hours meditating? No, it's a perspective of our life and it's understanding our operating system in a very simple, this map of human consciousness, it's Einsteinian, it's simple, it's elegant. Everybody can go, right, that makes sense.

And then it's developing your own willingness, which is we're looking for the participation of the willing to use it. And those are two different things. And I think what we get caught up in is that we look for another process. You know, we're going to, now we're going to go to this process. We'll see this process is, but if we took the process and worked it to its maximum, and maybe that's what happens sometimes with these, with our trainings.

Meg Kearney (27:56)
Hmm.

Barbara With (28:08)
The conflict revolution starts with the fact that we have a map, it's intellect, intuition, and then solar plexus emotion. Then we have a witness, and every day we wake up and say, thank you for another day of the most amazing life I ever could have jumped up. I totally intend to make this the most magical day ever. And then we stand in our witness, and what we're waiting for is our triggers.

Meg Kearney (28:13)
Mm-hmm.

Barbara With (28:32)
So we're going through the day and then we get in line at the supermarket and now we're pissed because come on. And then you're counting the things you like and then we're getting. So we're looking for those because those are clues every day. This is just like every day. It's not a class. It's like life happening in present moment and we get it and then we stop and go, okay, what's the sound bite? Well, she's disrespecting my time. Whatever I come up with.

Meg Kearney (28:43)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Barbara With (28:59)
Okay, let's revolve that. Now, the witness is going to pay attention to every time that you disrespect anybody's time, that you disrespect your own time, that you're going against your own intuitive impelling, which is what it's the divine feminine, the next most advantageous step for the good of this whole magical picture. And it gets to the intellect where the ego is. And ego, this is the weird kind of joke about the universe. The ego has been given control.

Meg Kearney (29:16)
Mmm.

Barbara With (29:29)
of the physical mechanism. So if you're going to turn left, it's not your intuition that sends the actual signals to your arm to grab the wheel. It's the intellect. So intellect is programmed to be able to have free will to say no to intuition. And Einstein says that is the root of every conflict that manifests on the planet at every level. This is what we're seeing in World War III that we're facing. It's that

Meg Kearney (29:40)
Hmm.

Mm. Mm.

Barbara With (29:57)
millions, billions of humans are not capable or right now aligning themselves in this way where intuition guides us and then intellect takes that step. It doesn't argue. Intuition will tell you, rest. You know, you feel it in your body, rest. And intellect will say, I can't rest. I got to go here, I got to go here, got to go here. And then gets in the car and drives away and gets in an accident. And then you're, why did I do that? And then there's all this, you

Meg Kearney (30:09)
Mmm.

Mmm.

Barbara With (30:25)
introspection of how did I cause that accident? Okay, let's take a breath. And the other thing, just the other piece of it is emotion is so greatly misunderstood. And what we do is we teach you to be able to in your body feel the maximum capacity of emotion possible from hate to love, everything in between.

Meg Kearney (30:45)
Hmm.

Barbara With (30:48)
We're doing this for the planet, right? Then there's a lot of horrible, horrible emotion that we feel through our body, but we use our breath and we move it through. And then we set our intention. I fully intend to use this emotion to create world peace rather than, I'm so scared. This is going to happen. And he did that. And he did that. We totally bypass that, but we're using actual everyday emotions. know, your grandma pisses you off or you're scared of the war.

Meg Kearney (30:50)
Mm.

Mmm.

Barbara With (31:16)
and you go into this, it's just a practice. And when you start to do this, Megan, you're gonna find what I found after our first fight and we used it and we had this revelation. And I went to work, I was playing at this hotel in Minneapolis, a piano bar, and there was a waitress there who never had the time of day for me. She was just stone cold, I didn't care. But I walked in and she was like, oh, Barbara, Barbara, I've got some...

Patti Smith cassettes and she put $20 in my tip jar and she just couldn't stop talking. And I was for a while, thought, know, this is like, is this pod people? And then I thought, this is it. That's what they're talking about. When you change it here, it just naturally, and you know, I'm not comparing myself to Jesus, but that's what he did. He would walk into a room and radiate people. could just touch his garment and his alignment to compassion was so thorough and unattached and intentional that

Meg Kearney (31:53)
Yeah.

Hmm. Hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Barbara With (32:13)
He had that power to change people. And that's what I feel, the state that I've come into. I'm calling myself a 5D printer.

Meg Kearney (32:15)
Yep. Yep.

Yes, I love

that. And it's true. They've done studies on it how if just one person is in a frequency, I think of love or one of those higher frequency emotions, it can counterbalance. I don't know the stat, but it can counterbalance a lot of people who are in lower vibe states. I mean, everybody knows that when they've encountered somebody who's in that state of peace and love. So it's so powerful and

I want to ask you about how to tell the difference between intuition and the ego because so I just had this recently on a plane because I have like this it must be like an egoic thing where I'm like okay like I know I'm divinely guided and I'll know like not to get on a plane if I'm not supposed to right so then I'm sitting on this plane and I'm convinced

that the plane is going down and I'm like, this is my intuition, like the plane, I'm not going to make it. And so how can we tell the difference? Because sometimes the ego is so, of course I made it safely. The ego is so good at disguising itself as intuition. So how can we strengthen that muscle and be able to use our intuition to override that ego that's trying to tell us what to do?

Barbara With (33:42)
You first begin by getting to know these three human dimensions. They're like spiritual organs. Your intellect, you get to know what it does, how it operates, what its function is. Your intuition, same thing, what it does, how it functions, your emotion, how they all work together. But I'll tell you this, it's very simple. Intuition is always an impelling to take a step. It's always an impelling to take a step. And what it tells us, because it really is the ultimate idea of what compassion is.

Meg Kearney (34:03)
Mmm.

Barbara With (34:11)
It's going to tell you to take the next, the next step. Okay. Only one step. Not going to tell you what the plane's going to land. The next most advantageous step. Like what is the best step you can take right now that's going to be good for the whole situation. The intellect now is going to explain, define, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But if you, if you actually just take a logical

analytical study is, is this statement impaling me to take the next step for the good of the whole? I would imagine that your powerful intuition was saying, breathe. And your mind was going, no, I know it's going to go down. It's you couldn't even get. And this is, this is so interesting because this is what propaganda is. Like we're all dealing with external propaganda. This is what conflict revolution has taught us how to do the inner.

Meg Kearney (34:47)
Hmm.

Thank

Mm-hmm.

Barbara With (35:04)
work on propaganda. And what they told us in the very beginning was they're called voices of culture that are generated outside us that get imprinted on our intellect. And then they run us. So we have to figure out what are our voices of culture and that we teach people a way to completely, well, like I said, I'm in a place now where I'm fielding a lot of negative energy from people who think I'm like some sort of

Meg Kearney (35:06)
Mm.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Barbara With (35:32)
fashion, I don't know, it's a whatever. It doesn't matter to me. Cause I can take all that hate they're directing at me as mine. Like I would with my own hate that I found and breathe it in and mingle it with compassion and feed it into the vision that we're going to create this world peace. And we completely bystep any of that projection. And now we have to work out issues and it's really a powerful place for us to be.

Meg Kearney (35:33)
Mmm. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Hmm.

Yeah, I I love that and it's so much easier said than done especially I have so much compassion for people that are in sort of the spiritual work and are broadly seen because with the social media that we have News online everything. It's just people a Lot of people are not practicing this conflict revolution. They are just in the conflict and that's where they want to stay and so

It is more necessary than ever for the people who do have the ability to practice this to practice this. And I'm curious if if this practice is just with ourselves or do you find that it is helpful to like speak to somebody else about it? I know that you said you you and your friends practice this. So like, what does it look like?

with people in our lives, this conflict revolution, or is it just all internal work and then they kind of reap the benefits of us putting peace into the world?

Barbara With (36:57)
That is exactly right. Because what will happen

is either the situation is going to shift to be more peaceful. So if you're in fights with family and you do this inner peace and you let them go, they're either going to rise to the occasion and feel that like we're talking about Jesus, or they're not ready and they're going to go create some more conflict until they find their way out of it. And that's nobody's fault. It's just where we are. I've done it. I had people trying to lead me and I had to find my way.

Meg Kearney (37:04)
Mm.

Barbara With (37:25)
But when we do it, it's the miraculous outcomes that get to me is that things that happen almost instantly now. so for example, short one, I had a conflict with a woman at WomenVenture and she was this marketing manager who made me do her work and then criticized me for it. And she was drunk every day and I was just so mad. So I got the soundbite and I worked it for two weeks till I called Teresa. said, what is that? And of course,

Meg Kearney (37:32)
Mm-hmm.

Barbara With (37:51)
without missing a beat because you can always see everybody else's conflict, right? Really good, but can you see your own? She said, remember that time with your husband when you were having a hard time and you separated for a while and he cut the grass and paid the mortgage and took care of the pets. And all you could do is complain that he didn't support you. I would never have seen that had it not been for the drunken marketing man.

Meg Kearney (37:56)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Mmm.

Mmm.

Barbara With (38:18)
And when

I went back to work the next day, she got fired. So these are the kinds of cause and effects. And I have what I call the conflict revolution challenge on my website. It's a free download. I want the world to do it. One is the basic instructions and how it works and why. And the other is a 12 week workbook where I'm challenging people to do this. And every week we take a different aspect. Like this week we're going to learn about it.

Meg Kearney (38:29)
Mm-hmm.

Barbara With (38:46)
This week we're going to learn about intuition, like exercises, how to do intuition and keeping us on track. And then you can record the things like I just told you, little things. See, we're looking for this big world piece, but we're forgetting that, wow, I did this and my brother and I got to make up and have love again. Those are the pieces of world peace we're building one person at a time. So I hope everybody who's listening goes and gets it.

Meg Kearney (39:05)
Hmm.

Hmm. Yes,

that sounds like such a helpful workbook. And I just have one one last question about the sound sound bite piece, because again, sometimes like intellect gets in the way and it's trying to explain why you feel X, Y and Z. So do you find that you you sit with sit with the conflict?

Barbara With (39:28)
Mm-hmm.

Meg Kearney (39:35)
for multiple times or can you usually get there in like one sitting? You can't give like a time frame on when it's gonna happen, what, how can we really just quickly, not quickly, but how can we really get to the root and know that it's the root and also knowing that things are always going to come up because this is life and we're always gonna have triggers, but how can you?

How can you really root in to get to that sound bite at the core?

Barbara With (40:05)
Well, first of all, remember that we are undoing civilizations of fear-based infrastructure. So we're all carrying this pattern. You get afraid, intuition tells you to do something, intellect takes over and there's conflict. So I say, just like Einstein, you have to be your own scientist. I can tell you all day long, but I'm not here to be the leader that everyone thinks is going to save them. I'm here to show you how you save yourself. So you begin to experiment.

Meg Kearney (40:32)
Mm.

Barbara With (40:34)
And the important thing is don't forget your witness because when your intellect is going, and you step outside yourself and you can see your intellect in the little chair going, now you have more control over that. can say, yep, that's that piece. Now what's going on in your emotion? Are you angry? All right, breathe that through, but don't let it marry itself to that stuff. And then

Sometimes, I think a lot of times when we just do that, but if it's hardcore like me dug in with, you know, how I treated my husband when he was doing nothing but supporting me, I want to know if I've done that. I want to know because I'm responsible for it, whether I agreed in my head at the time to do it or not. So it's kind of karmic that we have to do this, but find out for yourself and then don't miss those baby step miracles.

Meg Kearney (41:12)
Mm.

Mm-hmm.

Barbara With (41:26)
don't dismiss them like, well, that's not big enough or, you know, we all do that, right? So, and you'll find very quickly, you're gonna find the flow of that miracle making and get addicted like we are.

Meg Kearney (41:36)
Mm-hmm,

yep, yep. So good. I like to leave off with just one last question, and I know we kind of already touched on this, but what would a world look like where everyone was practicing this conflict revolution?

Barbara With (41:55)
I believe that is exactly what we're on the path to right now. I think first of all, the endless war is up. I think the propaganda machine gets dismantled and all of the horrible things that our whole globe has been built on that you don't even want to talk about gets dismantled. And then our resources begin to flow back into our families, our communities. And then we get to create, you know, I don't want the government telling me this, this, this, this, this. I want to be

I want to be free to create. Now there's, you know, a free energy, Tesla, free energy, that all got subverted when he was alive because it would threaten those powers that be. Without that, we become the free energy machines. We manifest. We, the angels used to tell us, there's no difference in manifesting a green pencil and a red Ferrari.

It's the same process spiritually. You just have intellectual stories that you don't deserve that red Ferrari. So there's all kinds of ways that we develop the kind of reflection of that compassion that's just naturally inside us. And I truly know that's where we're going right now. And I'm honored to be a leader in the movement and to be able to come to you and share what I know.

Meg Kearney (42:58)
Mm.

I'm honored to speak with you as well. It always feeds my soul just to talk to people who have this greater vision for the world and just knowing that even though times feel dark right now, there's light on the other side. So that's so beautiful. And for listeners who are resonating and want to get your books or wanna work with you or learn more about you, where is the best place for them to connect?

Barbara With (43:41)
barbarawith.com and that's where you can get the challenge, the free challenge. I also have a couple levels of masterclass that I produced. The one I'm most proud of is the entire presentation of the Unified Field Theory and the Maps of Human Consciousness and then Conflict Revolution there. And I am on this world peace tour. And if you want to support me, that would be great. I've got music there too.

my music downloads and some meditation downloads that are very powerful to help us rebuild our pituitary gland and our hippocampus that's been kind of destroyed by all of this misinformation.

Meg Kearney (44:18)
Awesome. Well, thank you so much, Barbara. It's been great speaking with you.

Barbara With (44:22)
You too, and maybe when I get back, I could catch up and fill you in on all the excitement.

Meg Kearney (44:27)
Yes, I would love that for sure. Thank you.

Barbara With (44:30)
Okay.

All right. Bye bye everybody.

Meg Kearney (44:42)
Thank you so much everyone for tuning in to this week's episode. All of the links will be in the show notes for Barbara's website, her books, her conflict revolution workbook. And I would definitely recommend taking a look at the workbook if that's something that resonated with you today. I know that I can always use more guidance and more handholding with identifying conflicts and triggers and sitting with them to figure out

What is the sound bite? What is the root of what I'm feeling? Why is this triggering for me? And how can I use this emotion to create peace in the world? So hopefully you can take a look at that. And if not, no worries, just do whatever you feel called to do. Thank you so much for tuning in again, and I'll see you next time. Have a great day. Much love to you all.